Our only witness today is Mr. Sundar Pichai

Pichai is the chief executive officer of Google.

Chairman Goodlatte ranking women adler

distinguished members of the committee

Thank you for the opportunity to be here today

More than 90% of all internet searches take place on Google or its subsidiary

YouTube and they are curating what we see

Google, has long faced criticism for manipulating search results to censor conservatives.

Conservative individuals and organizations have had their pro Trump

Content tagged as hate speech or had their content reduced in search results

So what are you going to improve that situation?

Congressman thanks for the question. If I may

Some of the studies you mentioned we have investigated those there are there are other studies which have looked at it we have found

issues with the methodology and the sample size and so on. But let me step back and say

Providing users with high quality accurate and trusted information is sacrosanct to us

It's what our principles are. And our business interests and natural long-term incentives are aligned with that

We want to serve users everywhere and we need to earn their trust in doing so

Ileana Murillo is Google's head of multicultural marketing.

Does miss Murillo do good work?

I'm not directly familiar with her work, but she's an employee of Google and you know

We're proud of our employees. Your head of multicultural marketing

Said you were pushing to get out the Latino vote paying for ride to the poll to the polls for the Latino vote

Only in key states and you're saying that's not accurate

Yes, that's right

They be haven't found any evidence to substantiate you she just made it up out of thin air the day after the election I wrote

This email to your top executives and it's not true

Congressman. I'm happy to follow up, but I think the employees today do their own activities. We don't want to follow up

I want the real answers right here in this committee

As I said earlier, we've looked into it

We didn't find you push to get out the key vote and and I would say the two most

populous states for Latinos would be California and Texas

Did you push to get out the Latino vote and pay for people to go to the poll in California in Texas?

We as a company didn't have any effort to push out votes for any particular demographic that would be against our principles

We participate in the civic process in a nonpartisan way and we think it's really important

We do it that way. I

I have an iPhone and

If I move from here and go over there and sit with my Democrat friends, which will make them real nervous

Does Google track my movement?

Does Google, through this phone, know that I have moved here and moved over to the left?

It's either yes or no

not by default

There may be a Google service which you've opted in to use. So Google knows that I am moving over there

It's it's not a trick question. You know, you make a hundred million dollars a year

You ought to be able to answer that question. Does Google know?

Through this phone that I am moving over there and sitting next to Mr. Johnson, which would make him real nervous

It's his question. It's yes or nope. I wouldn't be able to answer that

I'm looking at yes say yes or no without knowing more details sir. I have a concern

Concerning China

In 2010 Google left the Chinese market place due to concerns over

Hacking attacks censorship and how the Chinese government was possibly gaining access to data

I'm interested in what has changed since 2010 and how working with the Chinese government to censor

results are part of Google's core values. Do you understand my question?

Congressman

We right now there are no plans for us to launch a search product in China

we are in general always looking to see how best it's part of our core mission and our principles to

Try hard to provide users with information

we

Always have evidence based on every country we have operated in

Us reaching out and giving uses to more information has a very positive impact and and we feel that

Calling. But right now there are no plans to launch in China

The extent that we ever

You know approach a decision like that

I will be fully transparent; including with policymakers here and engage in consult widely

so anticipating what took place in 2016 happening again, and and this is specifically regarding

What Russia did to foment racial tensions in the United States and

Wanting to know how you are responding to that. Were they called for, you know fake protests?

Either to get African Americans to turn out to protest something that was fake or to have white supremists

Be ginned up to attack communities of color so specifically what is Google doing to respond to that?

We mainly saw with respect to Russia

Limited improper activity on our ad platforms but in general, you know

We are not a social networking company across the products. We do it's an area

we haven't done well as a company so we typically are in connecting groups of people and that's not how Google mainly works today and

So we haven't seen that kind of activities on our platforms, but we are vigilant and you know

I'm happy to share any findings which come through as we look into it more the operating environment in China

has

Deteriorated with respect to surveillance censorship and the like since Google first made the decision in 2010 to leave

So I want to ask very specifically are any employees currently

having product meetings on this Chinese project and

if not when did those end?

We have undertaken an internal effort. But right now there are no plans to launch a search service in China

as I said earlier

Are there any

current discussions with any member of the Chinese government on launching this app

Currently we are not in discussions around launching a search product in China

Are there any current discussions with members of the Chinese government about this?

You know, this effort currently is an internal effort and you know, I'm happy to

consult as well as be transparent to the action

We take, as steps towards launching a product in China.

And who at Google is leading the dragonfly effort

It's, you know our efforts around

Building search, you know, it's undertaken by our search teams, but these are distributed efforts

It's a limited effort internally currently

Will you Mr. Pichai, rule out launching a tool for surveillance and censorship in China while you are CEO of Google?

congressman I commit to

engaging one of the things which is important to us as a company. We have a stated mission of providing users with information

and so we always think it's in our duty to explore possibilities to give users access to information and

You know, I have that commitment. But you know, as I said earlier on this will be very thoughtful and

We will engage widely as we make progress

this is now the fourth hearing in a series of ridiculous hearings on a free speech of Internet companies a

significant portion this hearing was a waste of time because the First Amendment

protects

private individuals' and corporations' free speech rights, so I'm gonna search for

Consequence Steve King i'ma hit the news tab

The first article that pops up is from ABC news

It says Steve King's racist immigration talk prompts calls for congressional censure

That's a negative article, but you don't have a group of people from Google sitting here

thinking and trying to modify search results every time Steve King comes up, because a negative article appears. That's not what's happening, right?

We always operate for any query with the same set of principles

We are trying to reflect what is currently you know

If it is newsworthy what is currently being discussed about that phrase

Thank you

So, let me just conclude here by stating the obvious

If you want positive search results do positive things if you don't want negative search results

Don't do negative things. And to some of my colleagues here across the aisle, If you're getting bad press articles and bad search results

Don't blame Google or Facebook or Twitter

consider blaming yourself

Did Google design a prototype for a search engine that would be used in China to censor content

Congressman we have undertaken an internal effort

Did you create a prototype that there was a report in the intercept that says a prototype for the censored search

Engine was designed

We have developed

and explored what a search could look like if it were to be launched in a country like China and that's what we

Explored and how many months was that project

ongoing?

We've had the project underway for a while and there have been other projects which we've undertaken for a while and we've never launched them

- so we could be a constantly exploring... How many how many people were working on it?

The estimates, you know

the number of engineers and the project have varied over time at ten at one point

We've had over a hundred people working on it. It's my understanding. Who makes the judgment calls

regarding content moderation at Google

Chairman it depends on the area. So for example if it's YouTube we have

You know very clear teams which are responsible for

YouTube content policies and... They identified whether is it possible for the

customer to write to them and say "hey here's

a concern I have" ? We give clear channels for content creators to

You know to raise concerns back and we have clear avenues and and we also have had people who are responsible for these platforms

Including content moderation appear here

You know and I think they've consulted widely here too - thank you. Well you've gone for about

three and a half hours and it's about what we predicted isn't it yesterday when we talked so

we

Thank you very much for your participation today. This concludes today's hearing and without objection

All members will have five legislative days to submit written

Question for the witness or additional materials for the record and with that this hearing is adjourned